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"Hello guys.
I was reading the forum this weekend, between work for the next hotfix, and at some point I got hit by a, not so gratifying, realization.

First of all, let me start by thanking all of you for being so active in AC and in our forums. Thank you for the bugs reporting and thank you for the features request. Yes I know some of you might think I just got crazy, looking at all the features requests that this forum is full with, but let's be honest. It is also your contributions and activity that keep us pushing, so yeah it's all part of the game and when we are not mad with you for asking so many features, we really like you :D

But...
AC is a driving simulator. Yes I know, you want a thousand more features for multiplayer and a thousand more fixes for AI so that you can race. I accept that. We are working on it. Please don't abuse me about it on this thread and let all the above out of it.

But...
It is a driving sim. If you bought it and you're using it and you like it (you are free to not like it of course) it is because you like cars... and driving. We do too and believe me, we go into a great deal to make the driving as good as possible. Laser scan tracks (yeah yeah ok, zandvoort is not LS), highly detailed and accurate driving model, officially licensed cars and so on...

So...
Where are the driving threads? Where are the circuit hints and tips and line discussion threads? Where are the car setup and car handling and driving technique threads?

Let me explain what I mean one thing at a time.
Circuits.
After iRacing (all hail Lord Kaemmer he deserves it, like it or not), AC is the second sim to have almost (yeah,yeah..) of its circuits laser scanned.
Before iR you could drive on a circuit and take almost any turn in the most classical way. Wide on turn in, apex, wide turn out. Do the widest arc, change the apex position depending what follows, that was it. With iR and AC now, you got all the little cambers changes and elevation changes and bump details that we didn't had before. And yet, nobody is talking about each circuit little secrets. Just to make an example, I haven't saw any discussions about how you need to stay in the middle of the track width on the turn in of Vallelunga's "Semaforo" curve or the early double apex you need to take at "Campagnano"... In real life, people go to those turns and look who is driving the track for the first time and who knows the "secrets" just by looking at their lines.
There are tons of other secrets on all the other circuits. Heck we even did a partnership with RSR Nurburg so that we could take their thousands laps knowledge of the Nordschleife and put the correct braking, turn in and apex points that real drivers use on the real track...

Cars.
There are thousands of people out there that still do not know that you should lower the pressure of the road tyres and even more on the semislick tyres to make the road car behave better on the circuits. They do not know they should use as much camber as possible at the front of the road cars... it is limited anyway, so everylittle helps.
I see no setup specific discussions on the race cars. Even interesting features we put in, like the fact that you need to "break in" the soft tyres in GT3 cars, are being reported as bugs usually, because "my car must be perfect anytime, every time, all the time".
Where are the discussions about long distance testing with a mercedes C9 for example? Which turbo boost is better to use to save fuel and tyres but have the best performance?
I see lot's of discussion about which conditions are "more realistic" because aliens are 3 secs faster than the real life or whatever.
I say **** it! I don't care about that, put it on whatever conditions you like, but let me know about the line and why you choose that setup instead of another and how you do that turn in that condition. Talk about driving you know!

I could go on forever... Someone will probably think I'm getting old and/or frustrated by work so I just want to rant about something else. But to be honest I'm not, and I'm not surprised the situation is like it is, because I've been through all this since 1998. I've been league admin, big forum admin, made mods, made a blog, even made a wikipedia about car setups and handling (something is still saved here I think http://flyingpigpedia.wikifoundry.com ) and I know by experience that people have little interest on their actual passion and seem to enjoy more complaining and asking for extra stuff.
But I'm still curious to understand why and willing to risk my face on it and ask people to do differently.

So, please don't stop asking for more, don't stop criticizing the bugs and our work. Continue doing it. It's normal, it's needed, we -almost- like it... :D

But please discuss more of the passion of driving. I think it will make this place better for everybody."

Fonte:
Aristotelis
http://www.assettocorsa.net/forum/index.php?threads/open-letter-to-the-community-this-time-from-a-dev.25835/

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Fartos de saber que isso é proibido discutir nos forums.. ahah!

Que grande! Sai uma ovação de pé para este homem!
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Re: "Open letter to the community, this time from a dev...?!"
« Reply #2 on: August 10, 2015, 20: 53 »
Ah, Aristoteles, velho mas continua sábio. :biggrin:

É precisamente o que gosto à brava no AC: CONDUZIR!!!!!!! E é pelo que ele diz. :clapping: :clapping:


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Re: "Open letter to the community, this time from a dev...?!"
« Reply #3 on: August 10, 2015, 21: 26 »
Pode parecer presunção minha mas acreditem que hoje dei 2 voltas a Nordschleife com o DTM para ver o que aquilo gastava de gota e dei por mim a pensar que conseguia sentir os ressaltos todos e mesmo em zonas de travagem e em plena curva conseguia perceber a dificuldade que tinha na aderência das rodas ao chão precisamente porque aquilo não é um tapete de asfalto como outros e a pensar que deveria ter um setup que pudesse melhor contornar aquilo, se o soubesse fazer, em vez do default do costume. A qualidade das pistas é de facto algo muito bom de sentir no AC e Nordschleife é um grande exemplo.

De resto nada a acrescentar, tenho dito muitas vezes mesmo aqui que se perde muito tempo a discutir que falta isto e aquilo num determinado sim e não se desfruta verdadeiramente das potencialidades que os mesmos têm. É verdade que não consigo ter o mesmo prazer ainda no pCars que tenho no AC mas por exemplo o troféu dos Clios que está a decorrer é um exemplo flagrante do que digo, corridas animadíssimas, disputadas ao milímetro e muita adrenalina, close racing do mais puro sem haver uma queixa que seja, dos participantes ou do sim. Falta isto ou aquilo? Sem dúvida. O que tem chega para desfrutar de excelentes corridas se a isso estiverem dispostos? Sem sombra de dúvida.

Dou toda a razão ao homem, sem tirar razão a quem apresenta as queixas, mas também me incluo no grupo daqueles que acham que muitos simracers levam por vezes demasiado a sério alguns aspectos e inclusive às vezes acabam por "tirar a pica" a outros de experimentarem ou darem sequer verdadeira chance ao sim A ou B.

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Eu até percebo o porquê destas discussoes sobre condução/setups, linhas , pontos de travagem e mais mil e uma coisas nao serem discutidas nos forums.
Cada vez se escreve menos ( obrigado facebook e à m**** dos likes) e quando se escreve algo caem logo meia duzia em cima porque acham que "Lá vem o Xico experto armado em pró!" De facto, contam-se pelos dedos de uma mao os simracers por ai espalhados que tem muito a oferecer em conhecimento.. mas nem sequer se dao ao trabalho. Uns preferem guardar segredo, faz sentido porque o prize money é enorme (NOT), outros porque nao querem, outros porque acham que nao tem nada a acrescentar porque nao pescam nada disto...

Passemos pelo TS, juntemo-nos numa pista e damos umas voltas juntos tentando aprender uns com os outros, discutindo linhas, afinações, rindo e curtindo á brava, deixando cores, clubes, equipas, de lado.

É possivel, o nivel geral acabará por subir sobe e todos andamos mais satisfeitos, animados e com vontade de voltar. Senao qualquer dia andamos todos a correr contra a AI  e a fazer videos para o Tubas... nada contra, mas nao é a mesma coisa.

Agora vou montar o meu TC  electrico que chegou no correio hoje, que 5a feira é dia de testes ;)
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Re: "Open letter to the community, this time from a dev...?!"
« Reply #5 on: August 11, 2015, 11: 12 »
ptsims academy ^^ :P

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Nao tem de ser só na Academy...ainda assim,
Ja reparaste no nr de inscritos? Estamos em Agosto, as noites estao agradaveis, os caracois no prato e a bjeca a escorregar pela garganta suplantam o simracing  né?

Mas tem sido bom ver alguns dinossauros a apoiar a malta recém chegada... e a esses aplaudo de pé!
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Re: "Open letter to the community, this time from a dev...?!"
« Reply #7 on: August 12, 2015, 13: 32 »
esqueceste-te das ferias (para alguns...) :)

Mas nao e' normal a vida real levar a melhor??? Eu tendo oportunidade e' certinho :P